In my opinion, the prosecution is clutching at straws.
To say that Kelseymeowz must be Kelseyrain because Facebook evidence ‘suggests’ it is so is very weak.
I would find it much more credible if the prosecution had gone for a lighter touch, e.g. that Coban was probably involved at some point, but to try and say that he was EVERY stalker is far-fetched.
And I’m still unclear about what the actual history is now. Do we believe that Coban tricked Amanda when she was 12 and that is what turned her into a serial, blackmailed online stripper? Or that Amanda was already showing herself online and just got embroiled in all the shenanigans?
One thing for sure is that the idea of Amanda being a sweet little angel is pretty much over, though I strongly suspect that if Coban is convicted Carol Todd will phone the Pope to chat about sainthood.
The big – in fact, huge – disgrace, whatever the outcome, is that there will be no inquest into what or who really caused Amanda to be a drinking, drug-taking, promiscuous mental case. Some might say the wiring in her head, some might say society with all its sexualisation and misogyny. Me? I blame the parents.
“Though investigators have been unable to identify hundreds of the victims, Berenson was also ordered to pay $95,000 in restitution, split among his 19 known victims, including the mother of one of them, Amanda Todd. Amanda, 15, took her own life in October 2012, a month after posting a powerful YouTube video about the bullying she suffered as a result of being sexually exploited by Berenson and his co-defendants.”.
From someone at the court case:
“I went to court yesterday and I was right. The ring of guys was directly linked to Amanda’s case, it wasnt all kids harassing her. It was the bored group, a group of more than 26 organized men, Amanda’s videos were on Michael Berenson’s computer, they found them a few weeks ago and Amanda’s mom was notified. Carol was in court…
This should be all about Amanda, but I believe that Carol Todd’s character was a crucial component in Amanda’s demise.
Carol was not an indulgent parent – that role probably went to Norm. In fact, she probably didn’t like Amanda much.
“her mother Carol was an educator and held academics etc in high esteem and yes, Amanda had learning disabilities and could not excel in school as she would have liked”
“Carol and Norm did not know how to handle her or to give her what she needed. Her dad is old school and a “tough no nonsense parent”, but I think he lacked the ability to nurture and support her along with the “tough love” approach. Both parents allowed her too much cell phone and laptop/facebook time. Both parents accepted her wild ways as part of being a teenager. I’m not sure that they had the…
To be honest, I don’t want to believe that Amanda was flashing possibly 2 years before I thought she began (or even one year earlier). But I am more convinced that she had some sort of mental illness that compelled her to be on social media at any cost.
We have the August 18, 2007 start date, making it the earliest occurrence of Amanda online I can find. She would have been 10. That does tie in with one version of the story.
It shows she’s 13 when she last described herself, and as usual she’s given away contact info.
There’s one comment – ‘You gotta do some of that sexy dancing you were doing on blogtv!’
As far as I know the isabella100555 identity ceased either some time around late 2010/early 2011 after the BlogTV and cops-on-doorstep fiasco, but it may have lasted through to May 2011, when Amanda was told to clear every bit of her online existence after getting into more trouble online.
The prosecution is pretty feeble in the Amanda Todd court case. All they can come up with is that the messages all looked the same – still no direct connection to Coban.
I’m going to stick my neck out here and go with my gut feeling that I wrote way back – most of it was the brother, Christopher Todd. He had all the knowledge and all the motives.
The reporting from the Amanda Todd case is odd, with some providing more details than others.
What is clear – and quite sad – is that Amanda really was up to her eyeballs in this flood of online sordidness.
What is still not clear, though, is the extent to which she was part of the drama herself. We seem to know that the threats started possibly in 2009, but that doesn’t explain why she stayed online and carried on with her nonsense for so long.
Basically, she was a fucked up individual in a fucked up world. I really hope that whatever the outcome of this farce, a lot more attention is diverted to what caused Amanda to be so off the rails. And perhaps people will finally realise that Carol Todd was a shambolic parent.
The godforsaken Aydin Coban v Amanda Todd court case rolls on.
I thought that it was pretty much wrapped up, but no – possibly a few more days of trying desperately to convince a gullible jury that Coban has 22 identities all designed to persecute Amanda Todd from 2009 onwards.
Meanwhile, the defence seems to have folded.
I have to say I am a bit perturbed by all this, mainly because it seems so incredible. OK, I might be prepared to believe that Coban featured somewhere in all this, but to basically be responsible for every single one of Amanda’s nonsense online is just too much to ask.
And can we really believe that Amanda truly was a poor, terrified victim when she obviously didn’t give a fuck when the cops called?
Anyways, it looks like we still have a few more days of this. Surely the defence has something to offer? Or even the prosecution has something more conclusive?
Oh well. The Amanda Todd case continues next week.
It has been a weird few weeks. I expected the prosecution to immediately produce evidence that Coban was Austin Collins, Tyler Boo and the rest. If they didn’t have that, then I expected a shit ton of videos, pictures, chats. Instead – if we can trust the reporting – we just got a few inconclusive references.
Now we need to see what the defence comes up with. They might launch an attack on Todd, saying that she was obviously not worried by what was going on and was just an Internet addict who encountered hundreds of random nutcases online. However, that may not be wise. Saint Amanda of Coquitlam still has support.
My guess is that the defence will simply go down the route of saying that the evidence isn’t good enough. Hopefully, they will keep it simple, rather than maybe overdo the protestations.
I think this all night come down to the jury. All of them will be familiar with the Todd case, and the sense of outrage won’t have disappeared. The view of Amanda as some sort of innocent Angel has evaporated, but there may still be an urge for revenge. It will be almost impossible for anybody to argue for Not Guilty, as they won’t want to rock the boat. So it might boil down to whatever the judge sums up. He could go three ways – there is not enough proof, so acquit; despite lack of evidence, it is obvious that Coban is evil, so condemn; it is 50:50 so make your own mind up.
I do not blame you for being skeptical. You can test me if you wish to; it may make you more inclined to trust me. You should be skeptical of anything you read on the internet.
I apologize that the screenshots do not make sense; I took a screenshot of the e-mails with “Cody” claiming that he was attending a camp because a camp is near the Bungalow park in which he lived (which I found out from your blog.)
I know that is not convincing. Sometimes, I’m not aware of what information is worth sharing and what information isn’t.
I am seventeen years old.
anotherkaittt does have significance, but codymorrish does not.
I linked a screenshot. Anotherkaittt@hotmail.com was an e-mail made for me to contact. I never did.
I was particularly intrigued when I saw the name, “Dylan Polo” on your blog.
After he stopped speaking to me under the alias “Cody”, a person by that name contacted me.
Dylan Polo and I were in contact for a period of time. His name popped up on your blog which was interesting to me because I never mentioned that alias to the authorities.
This was because while my intuition was strong; that it was the same person, I did not have evidence, nothing of the sort to tie the two together.
He never attempted to blackmail me under that name, though.
Do you know of Dylan Polo’s history? He hosted Tinychat rooms where young women would come in and do sexual things on camera while men in the chat watched. They were called “Polo rooms.”
Dylan Polo’s Tinychat rooms were extremely popular; he would spam links to his chatrooms on sites like 4chan and Anonib. Women who wanted attention via masturbation/flashing/the works were drawn to the rooms, and he had women who would frequent the rooms to perform shows. He had all of the women added on his Skype.
dylanmess1 and intothedylan were two of the Skype names he had under that alias.
In Anonib threads, people would post screenshots of conversations they had with him; if I’m not mistaken, he was friendly with the women that frequented his chatrooms. He was very well known.
I’m not sure where the rich father and hotel company came from.
Girls would frequently be blackmailed there, but nobody believed it was Dylan Polo; I suppose because there were so many people in the rooms. It could have been anybody. Perhaps, it was a way for him to do it in a sneaky matter.
I would obsessively read every thread about Dylan Polo when they were active.
I’m just as truth driven. The story really is interesting.
Also, yes, I am reading your blog. The Brighton thing is very weird.
I simply can not believe that they publicized the victims names to the public. That fills me with a lot of anger, and not only for selfish reasons. How is that even allowed?On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:25 PM, Philip Rose <PhilipRose1234@hotmail.com> wrote:
Blimey. Buried deep in all the information, the name Jordan Stolar crops up, which is a miracle.
Does anotherkaittt have any significance? Or codymorrish?
Anyways, It takes a lot for me to believe, still.
I still don’t know who you are, but you have enough connections, even though none of your screen caps make any sense at all.
I was tempted to say something like ‘Does nickynackynoo have any relevance?’ and then if you answered yes I would know you are lying. lol.
Hmmmm….
Your use of language still stands out from the rest. Not one use of ‘ima gunna’ or something like that.
But I can’t work out why you would have kept all that info going so far back.
Blimey, I’m intrigued by all this. Have you seen my blog posts? Aydin Coban is just supposed to be so many people it’s too much to take in.
And I got some dumb message from another person – Rebecca Haskins. She just kinda hinted she had something to say then disappeared.
Another hmmmm….
I have two impressions of you. You are either a young girl (I’m hoping you’re around 17-18 at least) who is telling me true stuff, or you are a cop. Hahahahahahaha! That’s what the Internet does to you!
Crikey. I’ve done more research in the last week than I’ve done in the last year.
If you’re bored with all this, don’t feel obliged to answer. If I don’t hear from you, I won’t write again.
Oh just one last thing. I live in Brighton in the UK and believe it or not one of the alleged identities is Brightonsbest1. Crazy or what?
Ta ta for now.
From: Angel Kat <angelkattt@yahoo.com> Sent: 22 April 2016 19:36 To: Philip Rose Subject: Re: Aydin Coban
Hahaha. I see.
Leon Talley is Facebook User as well. It was the initial account he used to contact me with before I blocked the account, and then he created another by the name of Jordan Stolar, picking up where he left off. On Friday, April 22, 2016 2:23 PM, Philip Rose <PhilipRose1234@hotmail.com> wrote:
Good grief. I was answering one email when the other one arrived. Who’s Leon Talley? Haha! I’ll take a closer look.
Laters!
From: Angel Kat <angelkattt@yahoo.com> Sent: 22 April 2016 18:57 To: Philip Rose Subject: Re: Aydin Coban
I just saw your most recent post, and I am certain that Julia and I were contacted by the same person.
The e-mails he would tell me to contact often ended with C4 and C5 with the same e-mail provider.
I honestly dobelieve he is the owner of the Tyler Boo account, despite claiming to live in the USA. I have no way to prove that, though.
I do not believe he seduced anyone into performing sexual acts initially; I still believe he took advantage afterwards.On Friday, April 22, 2016 1:03 PM, Philip Rose <PhilipRose1234@hotmail.com> wrote:
Aydin Coban Victim Number One – Juliaphilipjrose.wordpress.comWell, what do we have here? This – allegedly – is one of Aydin Coban’s victims. This isn’t just pulled out of a hat – she’s on the victim list currently being us…
Aydin Coban Victim Number One – Juliaphilipjrose.wordpress.comWell, what do we have here? This – allegedly – is one of Aydin Coban’s victims. This isn’t just pulled out of a hat – she’s on the victim list currently being us…
Aydin Coban Victim Number One – Juliaphilipjrose.wordpress.comWell, what do we have here? This – allegedly – is one of Aydin Coban’s victims. This isn’t just pulled out of a hat – she’s on the victim list currently being us…
From: Angel Kat <angelkattt@yahoo.com> Sent: 22 April 2016 16:59 To: Philip Rose Subject: Re: Aydin Coban
Indeed I am.
There is a file? On Friday, April 22, 2016 10:27 AM, Philip Rose <PhilipRose1234@hotmail.com> wrote:
Checking information, are you Kaitlyn? I’ve looked at the Aydin file and that name crops up.
No need to reply if you don’t want to.
Philip
From: Angel Kat <angelkattt@yahoo.com> Sent: 14 April 2016 03:46 To: Philip Rose Subject: Re: Aydin Coban
“ There will be hundreds and hundreds of girls who got blackmailed in the last few years, and every one of them would like to be able to blame Aydin Coban.”
I’m sure that is true. I believe that many of the girls want closure, so they will be quick to pin the blame on anyone they can for a cathartic emotional release, though they don’t actually have all the facts.
Especially because, yes, blackmailing is common amongst 4chan users.
I don’t see myself as an innocent victim, truly.
I wasn’t “seduced” into doing any of the things that I did. He contacted me afterwards. It was simply illogical actions I made in my youth in the year of 2010 as well, actually. He contacted me in 2012.
I also believe he did the same with the majority of the others (contacted them afterwards). I doubt that he was able to court young girls on a solo basis, but I do not believe that makes his crimes any less severe.
I could be wrong, but wasn’t Amanda streaming on web chat sites like Stickam/YouStream which broadcasts her video to multiple viewers at a time?
More than likely, she was swept up by the attention from a variety of people and her information was released afterwards which was used for blackmail; that’s my theory. That seems to be extremely common.
They’re so young; they don’t have a solid grasp of the concept of repercussions of actions because they don’t have the past experience to know and learn from.
I do not think an extremely young person (especially if they are undisciplined as in Jessica Leonhardt’s case) understands the concept of if you do A, B and C will happen because of it.
They don’t look into the future to reason that something will happen to them afterwards because they haven’t really experienced anything significant yet to learn from.
It goes without saying, children shouldn’t have unmonitored internet access while communicating with much older strangers whom can adeptly manipulate an inferior mind.
Though, in Amanda’s case, I may be wrong. He may have had different ways of going about it which are each unique to the victim. I say that because something that confused me when reading your posts was that he allegedly blackmailed people so that he could extort money from them.
If that was true, why was he contacting very young girls? Unless, he only extorted money from a select amount of victims… or he lied to throw people off of his trail, or so that he did not look to be a pedophile in the eyes of other people, though I do agree he is the type of person who enjoys being imprisoned.
Yes; the images were sent, and I did contact the authorities. He sent them to the school board and a select amount of my Facebook friends list (he said that if I did not cave in to do the shows, he would send the photos to the remaining amount of my friends list) which got me into a hindrance with the police for producing child pornography.
The authorities took control of my online accounts, destroyed the computer I used to produce the material, and they notified me that the account he used to contact me was accessed via the Netherlands and that they found this out from Facebook (this was in 2012), but that it was unlikely that they would be able to locate/arrest him.
I don’t know if I’m remembering correctly, but I think it had to do with laws as well as a lack of capability.
I began homeschooling after the events.
The FBI contacted me in 2014 of January; they came to my home, told me the person behind the Facebook account in which he used to contact me was in police custody and proceeded to fill me in on the details of the case.
I too was skeptical that it was truly him until they showed me the mugshot. They offered to fly me out to the Netherlands free of charge, but I declined.
A quote from him,
“just 9 days ago i got one arrested and shes now forbiden to use internet during the entire proces, her dad got arrested too cos he happened to have weed in the house, lulz.”
And when googling his Skype name, I found this thread. Clearly, he was not lying about having multiple victims.https://warosu.org/g/thread/22617426
It seems to me to be an act of sexual deviance; he seems to derive arousal by the act of having control over somebody “dirty” or weak and extorting pleasure from the emotional pain it causes.
He even made a Skype account to contact me with my name in the blank: “___’s master”
I also think he is a legitimate sociopath. I believe he is masquerading as an unassuming, quiet man; the type of person you would not expect.
I too agree sending a photo of himself is extremely foolish; I genuinely begged and pried it out of him every day until he did. Initially, he only sent a photo with half of his face and a paper with my name written onto it.
He would always accuse me of manipulating him in order to gain information, and it was obvious that being identified was something that invoked fear.
I believe the reason for why he befriended me was for a power play. Half for control, half for loneliness.
It is ridiculous, but he made me a deal (due to the fact that I was not agreeing to do the shows?) that is that if I befriended him, he would “let me off the hook”. He is clearly mentally ill.
I theorize that it was his way of regaining control; to gain something, because I did not seem to distraught when he sent the images to my friends.
Yet, he got it into his head that I was prying for information and sent them to the entirety of my friends list under a different aliases.
He stopped talking to me when I confronted him.
Then, he would proceed to come back under different aliases and send them to my friends list every few months. It stopped abruptly in January of 2014.
He admits that he hacks the neighbors Wi-Fi in the messages he sent me, and in his open letter, did he not claim that the router belonged to one of his former neighbors that was used to contact Amanda? That “anyone could access it?” Also, he revealed to me that there are 30,000 houses in his vicinity.
I do understand the skepticism as it is not very convincing; it’s solely my word. It could have been any 4chan user that contacted me in your eyes. If I located the photos of himself, it would be a different story in that regard.
I never knew of his literal age until the police told me he was 35 the time in which he was arrested.
I will try to locate the photos he sent to me.
Hahaha. Crazy Kentucky laws… In fact, I was never charged with anything; they informed my parents that it was unlikely that I would be charged with anything due to my young age and the fact that I “didn’t know any better.”
Which simply isn’t true; I take full responsibility for my stupid actions regardless of my young age.
It was more so a scare tactic on the police’s part than anything else.
At this point in time, I don’t think it upsets me to talk about anymore…
I just am very truth oriented also. If it was not in fact him, I would have wanted to know.
I am simply 100% certain that it was due to the pictures of his face that he sent, but I can’t prove that to you yet, so I understand the doubt you have. I would doubt it as well.On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 6:50 PM, Philip Rose <PhilipRose1234@hotmail.com> wrote:
hello
Thanks for getting in touch.
The stuff that you sent doesn’t really show much. Those blackmail words could be from any of the online people – the style is common amongst blackmailers.
I’m guessing that you must have been doing the same sort of stuff as Amanda Todd, but we’ll pass on that.
Where Aydin Coban fits in to this story is difficult. I’m almost prepared to believe that he might have arrived on the scene around 2012, but everyone wants to pin the whole history from 2010 onwards on him.
OK. Let’s look at things. I assume that these communications came after you did whatever you did online. This doesn’t tie in with the Amanda Todd story that it was Aydin who cajoled Amanda into flashing from the very start, which is the way the Canadians want to go with it.
Like I said – I’m sort of prepared to believe that Coban might blackmail people AFTER events (like all the 4channers) but I don’t believe he was clever enough to go online and – on a 1-to-1 basis – get young girls to perform on a solo basis.
It’s odd that he sent photos of himself. I don’t get why he would do that. He might reveal his country (r0ra is Dutch) but a picture is mad.
I don’t get why he would Skype with you. You’ll have to explain a lot more,maybe.
Loads of Coban’s victims will be caught out by the stress of having to go through whatever happened, mainly because they will have to explain why/how they were getting blackmailed.
Your email does confuse me. You say he befriended you. At what point did you realise he was an old man? If he sent photos, you must have known. At what point did he start blackmailing? Why does he refer to all the stuff (9 things) on stickam etc.
Is this close to your story?
You went online in 2012 (like Amanda did in 2010) and got up to some sort of naughtiness.
Aydin Coban (or someone) then started to blackmail you because they found out your details.
Then……
Were the details ever sent? Did you tell the police?
I never, ever trust anything online until I am convinced, and your email isn’t convincing. There will be hundreds and hundreds of girls who got blackmailed in the last few years, and every one of them would like to be able to blame Aydin Coban.
Anyways. Don’t get involved with this if it’s going to upset you. Your crazy Kentucky laws probably mean that it’s legal for you to have 15 children and 5 ex-husbands by now, but illegal to have a drink or email some person like me online. However, you seem intelligent enough to be able to string a sentence together, which is rare.
Anyways. Take care, look after yourself, keep away from all that online nonsense.
From: Angel Kat <angelkattt@yahoo.com> Sent: 12 April 2016 21:59 To: philiprose1234@hotmail.com Subject: Aydin Coban
Aydin is not innocent.
Please look at the screenshots I have linked.
He attempted to blackmail me in 2012, and he actually went on microphone for me, revealed his country, and sent photos of himself.
The police came to my door and revealed to me he was in police custody and showed me his mugshot which matched the photos he sent to me over Skype.
They said they would pay for my plane ticket to fly to the Netherlands, but I refused, because it was too stressful for me. This was a couple of years ago.
He would talk about himself in third-person; referring to himself; the blackmailer as “anon”.
I simply ask that you take a look at the screenshots and you can draw your own conclusions.
I see that you put an emphasis on truth on your blog, and yet, you are painting him out to be innocent, when in fact, he is not.
I wish I still had the photos of his actual face on my hard drive… I am trying to locate the images. Because, for now, I can’t prove that, and I completely understand being skeptical of the things I claim.
I was thirteen at the time. I’m seventeen now.
It matches the description; why would a man in his thirties be so quick to befriend a 13-year-old girl? Loneliness, mental illness.
Genuinely, he has psychological issues.
Check the typing styles; I think you claimed that he types like an American with the usage of “nig”.
Yet, he calls me that, and has admitted to living in Netherlands himself.
I understand skepticism.
If you do not wish to believe me, there is nothing I can do.
I think without the photo, you are probably inclined to believe it is the same person whom blackmailed Amanda, but is not Aydin Coban, but I am one hundred percent certain that it is due to the fact that I’ve seen his face.
He needs to see a psychologist, then, you will see that there is not something firing right upstairs.
He is extremely clever and adept at manipulating. Clearly, he is not that smart if he revealed all this information to a 13-year-old, but I digress. Take a look.
The True Story of Amanda Todd 